245: Give Me That Panic Attack with Pete Wright

This week’s guest is Pete Wright, podcaster, producer, and photographer. You may know him as the co-host of Taking Control: The ADHD Podcast. He joins us to talk about podcasting, movies, music, COVID-19 and a dizzying array of topics that only two ADHD podcasters could fit into an hour.

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[00:00:00]Brett: [00:00:00] this week’s guest is Pete Wright. Uh, podcasts are producer and photographer among many other things. I know him as the co-host of taking control of the ADHD podcast. Welcome to the show, Pete.

[00:00:13] Pete: [00:00:13] Hey, Brett, glad to be here.

[00:00:15] Brett: [00:00:15] So I, as far as your kind of day job goes, podcasts are a big part of your life. Is that fair?

[00:00:22] Pete: [00:00:22] Yeah. Big, big part. Yeah. We’ve got, I’ve got, uh, I don’t know. It’s feels like 13 shows, something like that, whether it’s whether I’m producing for myself, like our personal shows or, uh, or for clients 13, 14, somewhere in there.

[00:00:37] Brett: [00:00:37] Yeah, like a whole network’s worth.

[00:00:39] Pete: [00:00:39] Yeah. True story.fm. Uh, and that’ll be the last blog. I don’t. I promise.

[00:00:45] Brett: [00:00:45] Fair enough. Um, your, uh, your co-host on the ADHD podcast, Nikki is, uh, is scheduled to be a guest on this show as well. Um, she, she, she, her more from the, uh, [00:01:00] ADHD coach perspective than, than you’ll have, but

[00:01:04] Pete: [00:01:04] no, I just, I just have the ADHD. She’s the coach part and that’s, that’s why we’re, you know, we’re like the wonder twins of ADHD, podcasting. So. She’s great. She’s amazing. I, I, we’ve been doing the show for 10 years this year and, uh, it’s been the community that’s come up around. It has been just really, uh, you know, for me personally is living with ADHD and my special brand of it.

[00:01:24] Uh it’s the community has been incredible, um, for, for me. It’s great.

[00:01:31] Brett: [00:01:31] Yeah, for sure. Um, we have a discord for overtired and systematic and the overtired discord has. Become pretty much an ADHD conversation place. Um, yeah, no, it’s really, it’s, it’s fun to connect with, uh, people who I guess know how to live with and work with their ADHD. if you spend too much time hearing from people who are [00:02:00] doing nothing, but, but suffering, like it’s fun to commiserate with people as well. But it’s really exciting to get like positive feedback from people too.

[00:02:10] Pete: [00:02:10] It is, but, you know, for me, like, I really love hanging out with people who are, who are living with ADHD and people who are struggling to live with ADHD, but are trying and that, but are trying carries a lot of weight because like, that is a huge difference in the kind of people that are attracts, certainly attracted to our show and our community.

[00:02:27] And we’ve got the discourse over too. And, um, it it’s just so illuminating when people come and have already given up and. You see the turnaround and they recognize that they’ve given up by just dent of hanging out in the server and watching people who are doing amazing things with their ADHD. Um, so it’s, it’s really cool.

[00:02:52] Brett: [00:02:52] Well, I would say you you’ve been, uh, you’ve been a pretty successful, a good success story for ADHD [00:03:00] adult life. Um, what, what would you say if you had to say, uh, that there were benefits to ADHD, how would you, how would you coin that?

[00:03:12]Pete: [00:03:12] I, uh, so, um, the, when, when I can control hyper-focus. It’s definitely a benefit. You know what I mean? Like I just find, I, I, I hear this a lot in people, particularly in the sort of people who don’t have ADHD, they’re saying ADHD is a superpower and hyper-focus is a superpower. And I just, I really. I hate it.

[00:03:36] I hate that because like, those are people who don’t recognize that all the super power stuff is totally unregulated. Like I can’t control when I need to rip all my CD collection over a weekend. Like I can’t control, I can’t control that. And I can’t control when I’m working on a website and I forgotten to eat for 72 hours.

[00:03:57] Like I can’t control that and it [00:04:00] directly impacts my health. And we had somebody on our show who said, um, You know, who told us that, uh, ADHD is, is one of those massively under, um, uh, acknowledged conditions. Just how dangerous it is that people with ADHD have a 12 year shorter lifespan than people who.

[00:04:19] Or without ADHD because they don’t do things like take their medication. They don’t do things like, like, and not ADHD meds, like their heart medication. They don’t eat, they just eat cereal all the time. Like they just don’t take care of themselves because it’s it’s, their, their brain is not functioning in the, in the way that the system expects it to.

[00:04:39] Function and that’s what makes it just so insidious. And so, you know, in terms of silver, silver linings, I’m I like to think I’m a pretty creative guy. And, um, I struggle with context switching. I get pretty engrossed in one thing, one tool for a kind of a long time. And I really struggle with [00:05:00] like, Shifting it’s been, it’s taken a lot of years to kind of, uh, build the muscles to adapt, um, and, and learn to move from one thing to another without completely like losing my thread.

[00:05:11] But, um, generally I’m pretty creative and I, I really, I think I use my, my hyper-focused time. Well, when I find it. And, um, uh, apart from that, it’s, it’s kind of a lot of work being in the brain, you know?

[00:05:25] Brett: [00:05:25] Oh, for sure. Um, you should try combining, uh, ADHD hyper-focus with bipolar mania. That is that’s a trip.

[00:05:36] Pete: [00:05:36] Yeah, I I’m. I just I’m. I listened to some of your recent episodes now that you’re, you’re back in the, in the big chair and, uh, I’m just like God, more power to you, man. I just, your stories of what you have done to like, to, to move your brain in and around the space and time in which you live is laudable.

[00:05:59] Brett: [00:05:59] That’s very kind of, [00:06:00] you.

[00:06:00] Pete: [00:06:00] It’s really impressive.

[00:06:01] Brett: [00:06:01] I, I feel like I’m, uh, in a constant mode of survival, but

[00:06:06]Pete: [00:06:06] Yeah. I don’t think people, I mean, I think you present so well that I don’t think people, uh, largely probably underestimate how much work it is and probably how tiring it is just to, just to do your thing.

[00:06:19] Brett: [00:06:19] it’s actually really nice to hear that because I feel like I, I, my, my whole life I’ve felt like. Um, if other people could be inside my head, they would be shocked. Like even as a kid, I understood that things, like I thought differently from everyone around me. And I think is it, is it an ADHD symptom to feel pain, more, uh, to be like more sensitive to pain?

[00:06:48]Pete: [00:06:48] Like physical pain or others’ pain.

[00:06:52] Brett: [00:06:52] Physical pain.

[00:06:53]Pete: [00:06:53] I don’t know. I can’t answer that.

[00:06:55] Brett: [00:06:55] Okay. I

[00:06:56] Pete: [00:06:56] don’t th I

[00:06:57] Brett: [00:06:57] all of

[00:06:58] Pete: [00:06:58] yeah, maybe now I should just go back [00:07:00] to all the, all the stuff I’m feeling and figure out if I’m just feeling it more that makes this whole COVID thing, you

[00:07:06] Brett: [00:07:06] well, I know that

[00:07:07] Pete: [00:07:07] more severely.

[00:07:08] Brett: [00:07:08] that ADHD people are more susceptible to issues of addiction. And issues of addiction often happen in people who are more sensitive to physical pain. So I thought maybe there was a correlation there I’m I’m, I’m both of those things. So, yeah. Anyway, yeah, we have so many different topics we can talk about.

[00:07:32] Um, my ADHD brain is trying to narrow them down right now. This, this thing came up before the show, but I’m actually really excited to talk to somebody about though. Um, and it came up on over-tired as well, but there’s an app for the Mac called bartender and for ADHD, people who maybe need less clutter on their desktop, an app that [00:08:00] like basically removes things from your Macko S menu bar.

[00:08:05] Is, it’s kind of a perfect ADHD tool for me. Do you use it?

[00:08:11] Pete: [00:08:11] I use it. I I’ve used it for years and, uh, bartender three was just rock solid and completely just stable and trustworthy. And, uh, I really love. How easy it makes the menu bar and then, you know, big sir. And I don’t have, um, when it comes to like technology and software updates and getting new stuff, I don’t have any breaks.

[00:08:36] And so I know because it’s my production machine, I should not have upgraded to big Sur. And I also knew immediately that I would. And so I did, and bartender four was only released as a, you know, big Sur ready beta and it acted as a beta. It is, the problem is it’s so beautiful. They’ve just done such amazing work on this thing.

[00:08:58] And I don’t know how many, how [00:09:00] many in your like hidden sub bar? How many apps do you have in there?

[00:09:04] Brett: [00:09:04] Let me take a quick look about 15.

[00:09:07] Pete: [00:09:07] Okay. I’ve got, I’ve got 25. In there. And then one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, that I leave always active on the menu bar. Uh, and,

[00:09:20] Brett: [00:09:20] ones because I have another 10 always hidden ones.

[00:09:24]Pete: [00:09:24] always hidden ones. I actually, now that you say that, I don’t know what, I let me open my preferences because I don’t know what I have always hidden. Um, always hidden. I have nothing always hidden. Um, I have a bunch that are like, you know, because it does that awesome thing. Like when there’s activity, it will show them on the primary menu bar.

[00:09:41] So if it’s stuff like Dropbox, if it’s acting up, it’ll show up there or Backblaze, you know, it’ll show up there. And so I, I really, I love, love, love the way it works and it’s just, I, I complained about it because the beta broke. And it started asking you for payment and wouldn’t accept payment. I, of course I want to pay, I want [00:10:00] to pay twice.

[00:10:00] Like I just give, let me have it, but something didn’t work. And I, my brain just like flipped out for a minute. The deal is with, I cannot recommend this thing highly enough if you’re on and you want to just wait until it’s super stable, wait until it’s really right, but it’s worth it. And, and the, the current beta it’s after I restarted got everything worked out.

[00:10:20] It’s fine. It’s

[00:10:22] Brett: [00:10:22] on Catalina, they, they dropped the secondary bar and you basically, you would have to. It, it would re-expand in the menu bar itself and there was this delay to it and it got really, um, like it was still so beneficial that I wouldn’t want to live without it, but the, the delay was, uh, annoying to me.

[00:10:44] And now in big Sur, everything is back to being instant. You have the secondary bar, you can opt to have it, like have the bar display, anytime you hover over the. Menu bar. Yeah. Uh, the, the [00:11:00] beta expired, uh, wasn’t supposed to, and then it wouldn’t it, like you said, required payment. And when you go to the site, it would tell you, you don’t have to pay.

[00:11:12] There’s a big banner at the top that says you don’t have to pay, but I skipped that. My brain just didn’t register that. I went straight to the pay button. Uh, pay the upgrade price. Even though I use the setup version, this is what kills me. Like I should have known, I use the setup version and I still, I like I had a, a license anyway, cause I used it prior to set up.

[00:11:38] And so I paid the upgrade price then realized that not only did I not need to in order to use the beta, but I had it all for free with setup anyway. And I still don’t regret paying for it.

[00:11:52] Pete: [00:11:52] How, how are the bagels paid is handled and set up. Do you had just have access to it through their license? Cause I’m not a setup

[00:11:59] Brett: [00:11:59] Yeah. [00:12:00] It,

[00:12:00] Pete: [00:12:00] I don’t have

[00:12:00] Brett: [00:12:00] it basically like you always have the latest version at no extra charge with that app. And in this case, that means it’s running the beta for, uh, for big Sur users.

[00:12:13] Pete: [00:12:13] Okay.

[00:12:14] Brett: [00:12:14] You don’t have set

[00:12:15] Pete: [00:12:15] Yeah, it’s fantastic. No, I know. Right. Uh, God. See that this is the, this is where I start carrying shame. I know. I probably should. I don’t know. I mean, I guess I need to look through all the, all my apps and see how many are also on there, but now see I’m I’m at that inflection point or beyond the inflection point where I have so many apps that are probably in set up that I’ve already paid for that now is how much value is there.

[00:12:38]Brett: [00:12:38] well, they’ve hit 200 apps now and, and I, because I’m, I use, I use enough apps. Only on set app that it’s worth the cost to me. But then I also, all of the apps that I own licenses for, I also use the setup version. So part of my monthly payment goes [00:13:00] to those developers as like continuing support. So it’s of course I’m a developer and full disclosure.

[00:13:08] I get set up for free, uh, because I have an app, I have an app onset app.

[00:13:14] Pete: [00:13:14] On set up.

[00:13:15] Brett: [00:13:15] Um, but that said I would gladly pay the monthly fee.

[00:13:20] Pete: [00:13:20] How does it, so how does it work for you as a developer? I’m assuming it’s marked is that that’s what you have on there. You didn’t, but, okay. So how does that work for you? Do you find it as a developer? Are you getting the kind of value that you expected better? Worse?

[00:13:34] Brett: [00:13:34] Eight. So it, yes. My, my monthly payments have consistently gone up for a couple of years now. Um, and it has, it has not grown at the way that they said it would when they first pitched it to developers, because that was one of the early ones. Um, but it has been a steady source of recurring income or reliable growing source [00:14:00] of income that I can count on, uh, repeating every month.

[00:14:05] And it hasn’t cannibalized my other methods of sale to an extent that would negate its value. So I’m not getting rich off it, but I’m also not disappointed with what I’m getting out of it.

[00:14:19]Pete: [00:14:19] Well, and I mean, any opportunity to have a line that creates a floor in your business is fantastic. Right? Given how variable everything else is.

[00:14:30]Brett: [00:14:30] totally. Yeah.

[00:14:30] Pete: [00:14:30] So that’s great. Okay. You know, maybe just for you, I’ve already paid for Mar I know I’ve paid for Mark more than I need to because I love it so much.

[00:14:40] And also now I should just join, set up and only use Mark. Right. Is that, that helps you even more if I just, I just do that.

[00:14:47] Brett: [00:14:47] It does. It’s not my recommendation. Like there are so many good, good apps on there now, but, uh, including bartender. Yeah.

[00:14:57] Pete: [00:14:57] I just paid for it. [00:15:00] Uh,

[00:15:01] Brett: [00:15:01] So one of your, uh, one of your podcasts, one of your many is the next real you are. Are you a big movie guy?

[00:15:09]Pete: [00:15:09] Yeah, no, I’m a pretty big movie guy. I, my, uh, initial partner and partner and true story is guy named Andy Nelson. And he, um, he’s a, uh, filmmaker and producer and screenwriter. We actually met in college. We were, we were RAs together and we happen to be duty partners and we just, we went to university of Colorado and we just wander the halls of our dorm.

[00:15:31] Um, Shout out Baker hall and, uh, and talk about movies and, and probably. Ignore a lot of behavior that we should have written up as RAs, you know? Uh, but we did talk about a lot of movies. And so, uh, in 2011 I finally wrote him and I was like, we need to talk about movies as podcast. Uh, this is going to be great.

[00:15:51] It’s gonna be great. So we’ve been doing it ever since we, uh, each week we take, we sort of peel apart a different movie as part of a series, uh, that we’re talking about. So we’ll talk about. [00:16:00] Um, we’re, we’re in the middle of the underworld series right now because, um, Kate Beckinsale, we posted a picture of Kate Beckinsale on Instagram, like a year ago and it blew up the next real Instagram.

[00:16:10] Like we get some traffic on Instagram, but Kate Beckinsale pictures are huge. And so we thought let’s just do all the underworld movies. So five weeks of underworld movies, anything with PVC

[00:16:22] Brett: [00:16:22] Would that happen with any attractive woman or is there something special about Kate back in style?

[00:16:28] Pete: [00:16:28] There is something inscrutable mercurial about Kate Beckinsale. I don’t know, but we’ve, we’ve got, you know, 10 years of movies and the Kate Beckinsale factor is a legit thing. I don’t understand. I don’t understand it. But, um, anyway, so we’ve been having a really good time talking about vampires and werewolves, but we’ve talked about all kinds of things.

[00:16:51] So yeah, I’m a, I’m a movie guy.

[00:16:52] Brett: [00:16:52] I’ll admit I’ve never watched any of the underworld movies. Yeah.

[00:16:57] Pete: [00:16:57] I mean you’re you’re okay. It’s I mean, they are [00:17:00] exactly what you get on the tin. You know what I mean? Like it’s not, they’re not, not under promising anything, so, uh, yeah. It’s, uh, you know, it’s good. Uh, but they did the, the thing that I like about it, they do, they’re very creative from production design perspective.

[00:17:14] Right. They do things in those movies because you could just feel that the team is standing around on set and saying, you know, what would be cool? And nobody’s there to say. But does that make sense? And that’s kind of fantastic. Right? And so that’s why it is a series with stunts that actually get tested on MythBusters.

[00:17:34] And I just love that. Like, there’s a sequence where our main character, Kate Beckinsale is standing on the floor of this hallway and the werewolves are coming and she has these two, um, machine pistols and she shoots a hole in the floor around her. Right. She just starts spinning and shoots her

[00:17:49] Brett: [00:17:49] Yeah.

[00:17:50] Pete: [00:17:50] Right. Right. So it’s nonsense practically, but even when you see it debunked, you still love it in the movie. Like it is [00:18:00] just, it’s crazy and dumb and awesome. So guilty

[00:18:04] Brett: [00:18:04] I’ll admit, I don’t listen to enough podcasts who have gotten around to this one. Do you guys get into a lot of the production details? More so than, uh, like plot and storyline?

[00:18:15]Pete: [00:18:15] Yeah, we do. Um, because we’re super into, like, how did it get made? Like where did the, where the ideas come from? How did they get it financed? Um, you know, and then you know how to do an award season and how does that? And Andy is a, he’s a spreadsheet guy. And just as a producer, he loves. Coming up with metrics that kind of unify or, or allow us to normalize performance of movies over time.

[00:18:37] And so he came up with adjusted profit per finished minute of the movie. And so he adjusts per era. So you can actually compare, you know, something from 1940 with something from 2012, uh, because he is rationalize those dollars. And he’s, he’s looked at the budget per finished minute of the film. So you don’t get the like [00:19:00] Titanic factor or, you know, movies that are just incredibly long are incredibly short, ending up being wildly more or less profitable.

[00:19:06] So you can actually see how did these movies do in their era in terms of general performance. And it’s really fun to start looking at that and see, like, what are the most popular movies, um, you know, per finished

[00:19:18] Brett: [00:19:18] Yeah, I may have to check this podcast out because this sounds a lot like the way I watch movies. Um,

[00:19:25] Pete: [00:19:25] Yeah. It’s, it’s great. Uh, we, we have a really good time with it and, um, yeah, we, we like to learn about the movies as you know. It’s good.

[00:19:31] Brett: [00:19:31] have you, have you ever listened to over-tired with Christina Warren?

[00:19:35]Pete: [00:19:35] Yeah. Big fan. I, yeah, she’s great.

[00:19:38] Brett: [00:19:38] kind of person who adds all of those details and facts too. Like we talk about a TV show and she knows like what this actor was doing in their personal life. At the time this scene was filmed and can add these dimensions, this data that I wouldn’t otherwise have.

[00:19:57] I found that very intriguing.

[00:19:59]Pete: [00:19:59] Yeah, [00:20:00] right. Like, for example, just speaking in, in the, uh, uh, underworld universe, we call it underworld, uh, uh, and. The Len Weissman was the director behind it. And he was married to Kate Beckinsale and he’s directing Kate Beckinsale and Scott Speedman in this like steamy sex scene. That’s also nonsense.

[00:20:21] And, uh, we just like those kinds of things, like how people put them, put their heads in place as professionals to do things that personally we would, we would find challenging to do. We love talking about that?

[00:20:33] Brett: [00:20:33] So it can, I, can I just rapid switch topics as if we were both ADHD,

[00:20:39]Pete: [00:20:39] Dare you.

[00:20:40]Brett: [00:20:40] you mentioned. So we got a standing desk, uh, mostly for my back, uh, and I have a treadmill for it, which I use on and off. Like, not all the time that I’m at my desk. You mentioned you got a wobble board.

[00:20:57] Pete: [00:20:57] I got wobble. Everything.

[00:20:58] Brett: [00:20:58] Tell tell me how [00:21:00] and why not the house so much as well at first, explain what it is. And then, then explain why

[00:21:07]Pete: [00:21:07] Uh, so, um, there are a number of related issues to, to why I got the, the wobble board. It’s the fluid stance, balanced board for standing desk. And, uh, it’s essentially made of like old rubber tires, you know, and. And, um, it’s just a board, looks like a snowboard, uh, not as long as a snowboard, obviously, but it has a bulge in the middle that allows you 360 degree rotation.

[00:21:32] And, um, I got it. Uh, four. Actually for circulation because I had COVID and we, and I’m having some long hauler stuff. And I don’t know if that’s interesting at all, but we can talk about it if you want. But the point is my doctor says, we need to try and get your feet moving more throughout the day, like feet and ankles and vascular system, and let’s get, get things going.

[00:21:55] So try this wobble board. And so I got the wobble board and it did what it needed to do for that, [00:22:00] but the, the knock-on benefit that I did not see coming was. What it requires of my brain to stay engaged at the standing desk while balancing on this ridiculous thing is just enough to raise the intention level like that.

[00:22:20] W that, uh, attention floor for ADHD that allows me to focus longer than I, um, have been able to here to for in the past. Like it’s amazing for me. Um, and, and it really fits my, my kind of inattentive, just having, having something that requires me to engage my core, engage my feet. And my knees allows me to focus on whatever project I’m working on, better than it ever has.

[00:22:47] It’s great. Yeah, it’s crazy. It’s the equivalent. Like we can’t go to coffee shops, but I used to do that all the time. Like I, I built my entire tech stack so that I could pick it up and leave and go someplace else [00:23:00] because I need that change of environment. Like I need coffee, shop noise. I need people moving around.

[00:23:04] Like something to allow me to focus through, allows me to focus more. And this is that thing at home that I’ve discovered after like 10 months. Now that is. It’s been crazy successful for me. And I’ve, I’ve been using it for a month and a half and I just, uh, I love it. I, there is not a minute that I am now standing at my standing desk that I’m not on my wobble.

[00:23:24] Brett: [00:23:24] I may have to try this.

[00:23:26]Pete: [00:23:26] It’s really cool.

[00:23:27] Brett: [00:23:27] quite the, a testimonial. And I’m betting. That’s not how they market it.

[00:23:33] Pete: [00:23:33] No, and I, I don’t think they will, but it works. It works great. And they’re, they’re not, the cheapest are a lot of models. They’re not the cheapest. This is, I just want to underscore it because when I said wobble board, like my I’ve got a daughter is 18 and she she’s, um, uh, athletic and really likes her trick wobble.

[00:23:51] Set. Right. Which is like the thing that they do tricks on. Right. It’s like the wobble part is not attached to the board. It’s essentially a, like a four by eight on a [00:24:00] cone. And you do all kinds of skateboard tricks. This is not that this is not dangerous. Like if you, if you tip too far, you’re falling like an inch and a half, like you’re really.

[00:24:08] Okay. Um, so that was that. Okay. And I also,

[00:24:12]Brett: [00:24:12] W how, how old are you?

[00:24:14]Pete: [00:24:14] I just turned 48.

[00:24:17] Brett: [00:24:17] not. So do you remember in the nineties, there were these things? I think they were called Pogo balls. It was it.

[00:24:24] Pete: [00:24:24] Oh, Oh, he was like a ball, a squishy jumping ball. You put your feet on it and you held onto like a rope

[00:24:29] Brett: [00:24:29] no, there was like, there was like a, it was like a, it looked like a UFO. There was like a platform around a squishy jumping ball and you would kind of like squeeze the ball between your feet and then just jump up and down on it. That’s what I’m picturing every time you say wobble board.

[00:24:43]Pete: [00:24:43] I don’t feel like a grownup human. When I say, I say wobble board, I don’t, I feel there is not a little bit of shame when I say, Oh, my ADHD requires a wobble board. I’ll I own that.

[00:24:57] Brett: [00:24:57] fair enough.

[00:24:58] Pete: [00:24:58] Yeah.

[00:24:59] Brett: [00:24:59] Um, [00:25:00] so, um,

[00:25:01] Pete: [00:25:01] What else you got? You’re going to change gears again. I’m ready.

[00:25:04] Brett: [00:25:04] I, I probably am. Let’s talk about music.

[00:25:08]Pete: [00:25:08] Okay. Yeah.

[00:25:10] Brett: [00:25:10] So w w what, what, what is kind of your, your musical history? Like what, what were you into in high school?

[00:25:18]Pete: [00:25:18] Um, well, okay, so. I remember there are musical moments that like, when you ask that question, I remember. So, so clearly do you have that experience? Like, cause I was just, I was transitioning from vinyl to CD and uh, because I got my first car and I was super excited about putting a CD player in the deck and.

[00:25:44] I remember that driveway moment when I was also, do you remember like BMG or were you ever a part of the CD male clubs? Right. So Columbia house, I was a member of both of those because I was really a responsible with credit cards and I will never [00:26:00] forget putting the CD in the deck, sitting in my driveway and hearing, um, Hello?

[00:26:08]Hey, another night, right? Gordon summer of like 92 from Barenaked ladies w is seared into my. Uh, into my brain, that was an incredible experience and a great production. And I can, I think the same thing with like love sexy in 88. Um, I’m, uh, I’m one of those that era of Prince fans, I’m a massive Prince fan.

[00:26:31] And so, but I just remember that production in particular, um, Peter Murphy’s deep, uh, was 89 and I’m a huge fan of, of that era. Of music, but I mean, I’m the cure and concrete blonde and, um, Prince and I mean I’m in

[00:26:51] Brett: [00:26:51] okay. Okay. Have your musical tastes changed in your, your later years?

[00:26:56]Pete: [00:26:56] Yeah. Well, I think so. I mean, I, I learned to, [00:27:00] I, I also play right. I played the piano and, and, um, guitar not great. But enough to like hang around around a campfire and I sing. And actually that’s how I got through college was like singing on the street, uh, with an acapella group and, uh, in New York city.

[00:27:17] And, um, that was so I, I kind of have, um, I have those musical. Uh, veins and, uh, and so they’ve, I just was exposed to a lot. And, um, so I love jazz. I love, um, but, but I also love trance and, uh, I really love nine inch nails and, uh, every time I can, I’m making dinner and I’ll just start screaming, head like a hole and my kids hate me for it.

[00:27:46] Brett: [00:27:46] do you ever hear call me a hole? Somebody, uh, I forget the artist’s name. Uh, and it got pulled off of SoundCloud, but it was a mashup of call me maybe and had [00:28:00] like a hole it was nothing short of brilliant. It was

[00:28:04] Pete: [00:28:04] That is high jump, low ceiling man. Like

[00:28:07]Brett: [00:28:07] Um, yeah, no, I’ll, I will see if I can find a link to that for the show notes. Uh, if it exists anywhere anymore, but it is if you’re a fan of the pretty hate machine era, nine inch nails, and you have any appreciation for sugar pop, it is an amazing combination.

[00:28:26] Pete: [00:28:26] So I look at what Apple music is recommending me right now. Just to give you an idea and like the top screen, Mason Williams, uh, phonograph, right? Uh, classical gas era sealed 1991, uh, maroon Barenaked ladies, uh, glee, the music volume five and Meghan Trainor essentials. What has happened here? So, uh, I am, I’m embarrassed.

[00:28:49] To even say that out loud on your podcast, but that is what it exists right

[00:28:55] Brett: [00:28:55] It’s out there now.

[00:28:56] Pete: [00:28:56] list, in my list in now. Yeah.

[00:28:58] Brett: [00:28:58] mine, mine [00:29:00] is, uh, equally eclectic, but. Um, I think, I think I’ve always, and I don’t know why, but I’ve always leaned towards what would be considered alternative. Um, and not like Nirvana alternative. Like I didn’t even like Nirvana. I wanted stuff that nobody else was listening to possibly because nobody else was listening to it.

[00:29:25] Um, in, in my adult years, that’s definitely shifted. I totally get into. I ended up popular music now. Um,

[00:29:33] Pete: [00:29:33] know, let me, let me ask you though. Controversial opinion. What do you, where do you stand as somebody who’s musical? Genealogy is as you state, where do you stand on somebody like Billie Eilish?

[00:29:45] Brett: [00:29:45] I love Billie Eilish, like so

[00:29:47] Pete: [00:29:47] too. Right? Why do my kids 18 and 14? Not like Billie Eilish. That is bananas to me.

[00:29:56] Brett: [00:29:56] I’ve

[00:29:57] Pete: [00:29:57] She’s like callbacks to everything that I

[00:30:00] [00:29:59] Brett: [00:29:59] Yeah. Yeah. I have watched so many videos, like, uh, like behind the music type stuff, interviews with her and I love her whole process. I love her voice and she writes creepy, weird music that I love.

[00:30:13] Pete: [00:30:13] So, and her videos are amazing from a filmmaking perspective, from a production today. She is stunning. She’s stunning.

[00:30:23] Brett: [00:30:23] My, uh, my number one played track of 2020 was, uh, you should, you should see me in a crown by Billie Eilish

[00:30:31]Pete: [00:30:31] So

[00:30:32] Brett: [00:30:32] in that video, that video with all the spiders, like shot on an iPhone with spiders crawling everywhere. Amazing.

[00:30:40] Pete: [00:30:40] Oh good. Well, and the other one where she used the, what is it where she’s got the, the, she falls into the oil slick and is walking with the world on fire around her. I

[00:30:48] Brett: [00:30:48] I can’t remember what song that

[00:30:49] Pete: [00:30:49] but the video is crazy. Good. I saw I’m talking to here’s another, I’m going to change gears. I’m talking to my mom and.

[00:30:58] She’s I regret to tell you she doesn’t [00:31:00] listen to systematic. And she tells me, this is some months ago. She says, well, that’s it. I can’t vote for Biden. And I said, what’s going on? I don’t mean to get political, but I have just a little bit. And it says he was endorsed by Cardi B. And I just watched that wop video and I can’t stand it.

[00:31:20] It’s contributing to the downfall of moral fabric in this country. And I was like, okay. Uh, all right. I had to learn into a massive text thread with my mother about, um, about reclaiming sexuality and hardcore rap. And it’s about damn time that we have more of this. And now we have, you know, Cardi B who’s always been kind of on the forefront of.

[00:31:47] This, but, uh, you know, I think, uh, uh, Ariana Grande’s latest album is like all over the, the, you know, uh, it’s super porny and, uh, it’s it’s like, [00:32:00] I don’t know. Where do you stand on, on this stuff, but like the moral fabric of women owning their sexuality and music.

[00:32:07] Brett: [00:32:07] Oh, it’s, that’s such a, uh, uh, landmine, uh, field.

[00:32:14] Pete: [00:32:14] is it too? Is it, is it too much?

[00:32:16] Brett: [00:32:16] I mean, because, so I hang out with a bunch of like, uh, um, feminist, uh, uh, theory professors. And I hear like, I realize every time that these kinds of topics come up, I realized that there are so many nuances to the discussion that I can’t. Like you can’t paraphrase.

[00:32:41] Uh, like to the extent that I don’t have a stance so much, like there’s so many, um, questions of the, um, the entire kind of sphere of academic feminism. [00:33:00] Uh, there’s a lot of disagreement and, and rightfully so. I mean, there’s a lot of, lot of different voices to be heard there. Um, so I’m more of a, I like to listen, but I don’t ever feel comfortable, really having a hard and fast opinion on any of it because a lot of it is constantly changing and updating.

[00:33:26]Pete: [00:33:26] Yeah, right, right. Well, and I totally get that. And I feel like it was a couple of years ago. I had to actually FIM my year and I wrote. Uh, above my computer on my wall, I just put a post-it that says, do you really need to care about this? And it just to remind me that I may be having an emotional reaction to a subject that is, um, that I don’t, I don’t really need to care that much about it.

[00:33:51] Like it’s the world will keep spinning. I choose choose my, my heavy topics carefully. And. This one [00:34:00] surprised me because a it’s coming from family and it seemed, it seems like I’m getting more and more of those kinds of conversations where, um, where my worldview is departing from people that I care about and trust and have grown up with.

[00:34:17] And that is a new thing for me in this era. And, and so, uh, I think, uh, Cardi B kind of is representative of, Oh, I gotta, I gotta develop a new muscle here. I’ve got to learn how to have these harder conversations. If there are things I care about and they’re people I care about, uh, because it’s not going to get easy.

[00:34:38] Brett: [00:34:38] Yeah. Yeah.

[00:34:40]Pete: [00:34:40] I dunno.

[00:34:42] Brett: [00:34:42] I, uh, I,

[00:34:42] Pete: [00:34:42] That’s, what’s, it’s, what’s going on in my

[00:34:44] Brett: [00:34:44] I have a similar note to myself that just says, is it worth it? That makes me. Pause when I’m in manic ADHD, hyperfocused phases that I have to pause and do like a cost benefit analysis on whatever I’ve been obsessed about for three hours.

[00:35:00] [00:34:59] Pete: [00:34:59] Yeah, totally. I, we had a guest on our show, uh, Sharon saline, uh, Dr. Sharon saline. She’s amazing. And she said she has an acronym. That’s wait now. And she uses it for, you know, people with who have, uh, impulsivity challenges. And the acronym is why am I talking now? And I love that so much and we’ve adapted it in our house to be like, it doesn’t work as well.

[00:35:22] Why am I doing this now? Uh, because both my kids are diagnosed and, um, and so they, they. We share that as a trio, we share that, that little affirmation and we use it on each other. Like sometimes my kids will come in my office and they’ll see me just knocking around doing stuff that’s not related clearly not related to my work, like just diving into more YouTube videos or something.

[00:35:45] And they’ll ask me, why are you doing this right now? And I have to stop and think, Oh God, I’ve trained them to, well, they actually see through me.

[00:35:52]Brett: [00:35:52] So here’s a topic that, that might lead to more discussion than we have time for. But how has, [00:36:00] uh, how has ADHD affected you specifically during this pandemic?

[00:36:06]Pete: [00:36:06] Yeah, that’s, that’s pretty big.

[00:36:08] Brett: [00:36:08] Yeah.

[00:36:09] Pete: [00:36:09] Um, well, okay. So the very short story is, uh, I, I spent. Uh, my, my ADHD experience is more around recovery and, um, and because I had ADHD or I had COVID, I had ADHD for the month of July also. I had COVID and, uh, and so I was, you know, I was in bed. I was, it was one of those cases where I never had to go to the hospital, but it was like we were monitoring my pulse ox every hour.

[00:36:36] And if it dropped below this number, that it was called the emergency room and it never dropped below that number. But it was one of those things where I just was, I spent July not breathing and, uh, dealing with just crazy inflammation and just, it was, it was incredibly painful. And I am, I am ridiculously gun shy about this disease as a result now I don’t.

[00:36:57] And so. Uh, after I, I [00:37:00] started getting better and started going back to work. We discovered lots of vascular, like cardiovascular issues that were lingering. And as a result, my doctor’s given me all these tools and things to do at home that forced me. Essentially to focus on the stuff that gives me the greatest anxiety in my life.

[00:37:20] Right. And so I’m happy I’m going to take my blood pressure, you know, three or four times a day. At random times, I have to constantly get the new Apple watch. Cause I, it does the pulse-ox easily and quickly and I don’t have to carry around another device. And so I’m constantly monitoring my blood sugars level and that like, I have a.

[00:37:41] A deep anxiety of heart issues and I just have lived with it forever. And it, you know, I, one of the other podcasts I do is called what’s that smell that sometimes funny podcast about humans and their anxieties and. You know, we try to learn about anxieties and people write in and share their anxieties for us to learn about.

[00:37:58] And one of them is, [00:38:00] is for me, it’s just a whole internal body stuff. I’m super aware of what’s going on in my heart. Dad had a heart attack. I was his primary caregiver. It’s terrifying. It’s terrifying. And so the act of like, my ADHD is so triggering right now because I have been told. To do this, to focus on it.

[00:38:21] Like I don’t, it’s not like I can sit back and be mindful and say, okay, I just don’t have to think about this right now. Try to change, change gears, try to find joy in something else. I like I have to do this. And it’s, uh, it’s bananas. It’s it’s taken me in some pretty dark places. Like just more experiences of panic, more experiences of false symptoms of, of heart attacks.

[00:38:41] Like I’m, I’ve, I’ve never been more rot. By my, what my ADHD is telling me to think about. Then now it’s, it’s hard.

[00:38:54] Brett: [00:38:54] so are you fighting against your ADHD? To focus on this stuff, or are you fighting or is your [00:39:00] ADHD overtaking you in this case?

[00:39:03] Pete: [00:39:03] Well, it’s overtaking. I think that’s the, that’s the biggest challenge for me is that my ADHD is like, so I, I just like super into the data and the graphs and I’m charting my blood pressure and my systolic and diastolic. And how are they changing? And what are the tools that are working? And in the background, my ADHD is not letting me turn that off.

[00:39:22] Do you know what I mean? Like you just, you live in that sort of ever-present void of analysis and thought and introspection, and at the same time, it’s physically exhausting. And the, the panic attacks that are, I mean, I went on this, like, it was the last panic attack I had, it was like 18 hours. And I was just like in tears, on the couch and my wife is holding me and she’s like, you know, we’re just trying to, to, you know, we’re trying to engage it and trying to embrace it.

[00:39:51] And that’s, um, You know that that’s one of the things I’ve been learning with a therapist. I do a podcast with him. He said, um, you know, [00:40:00] when you’re, when you’re engaged in a panic state, um, one of the ways you can sort of start to, well, my words, not his trick, your brain is to say, okay, Panic. Like, I, I feel you come and bring it on and you can really engage it and say, look, give me that panic attack.

[00:40:15] Let’s go. Here’s what it feels like. When is my left arm going to go numb? Um, when am I going to have shortness of breath? When am I going to start crying? Like, when am I going to, when are these things going to happen? And invariably. They, they don’t, when you get practiced enough at this strategy, you can engage that state enough that you can trick your brain and say, and soften the blow of what you would normally expect.

[00:40:41] And I’m still very new at engaging. And it’s really hard to say, okay, let me have this terrible experience right now. Um, and, uh, you know, it’s like, it’s like the invisible bridge in. Uh, the last crusade, you know, it’s like, I want to kick dirt out and see if there really is an invisible bridge [00:41:00] there. And, uh, you can’t see the bridge and yet I still have to take a step.

[00:41:04] And, and I find that very challenging.

[00:41:06] Brett: [00:41:06] Do you find that the act of. Doing something like taking your blood pressure, increases your blood pressure.

[00:41:12]Pete: [00:41:12] Yeah. When I first started doing this protocol, it absolutely felt that way, but my blood pressure was already like stage two. Hypertensive and like, like it was so high that they’re like, we don’t really understand how you’re walking around right now. And, uh, I don’t want to spoil my first pick of top three things, but, uh, I did find something that actually really helps me turn it around quickly.

[00:41:38] And now I think I’m pretty good. And, and the blood pressure has dropped pretty significantly over the last, you know, eight weeks. And so things are, things are working. Okay. But I do have that lab coat thing, like. Uh, you know, they take my blood pressure anytime I go to the dentist and, and they, the result, the result is always, are you okay?

[00:41:56] Like, do we need to call someone? I’m like, that’s fine. It’s a lab coat [00:42:00] anxiety. Right? Uh, yeah. I really struggle with that.

[00:42:02] Brett: [00:42:02] I had, uh, I had to one time at the doctor’s office, I had to verbally decline to go to the emergency room. Like my blood pressure was high enough that they were legally obligated to send me to the emergency room and I had to offer a verbal, uh, verbally decline that, um,

[00:42:24] Pete: [00:42:24] Now that, and that’s just like, w do you, do have you, do you have any sort of practice around monitoring your blood

[00:42:29] Brett: [00:42:29] Yes. I, I check my blood pressure, not daily, but a few times a week. And I take medication for blood pressure. And the last time I had a panic attack was it was triggered by taking my blood pressure and, and thinking it was too high. And then it led to like taking it again and it was even higher and it just kind of spiraled.

[00:42:50] Um, did not go well, I missed, I missed my psychiatry appointment because I was having a panic attack because I knew they were going to take my blood pressure when I [00:43:00] got there. So I wanted to have some idea like too, I could tell them no, it was, here’s what my reading was before my lab coat syndrome kicked in.

[00:43:09] And then I was like, Oh my God, I can’t go. I can’t let them take my blood pressure when it’s this high. Yeah.

[00:43:16] Pete: [00:43:16] How do you deal with, how do you deal with needles?

[00:43:18] Brett: [00:43:18] fine with needles. I was a heroin addict. I do fine with needles.

[00:43:21] Pete: [00:43:21] you know, I should’ve, I should’ve thought about that before I asked that question. Of course. I know that. I know your back’s. I know your origin story. I am hugely needle-phobic and so I have to, I have to get, like, they use the baby needles on me. They use infant needles to like draw blood, so it takes longer, but I will re like the eyes roll back and I’ll I’ll I’ll I drop every time.

[00:43:40] It’s, it’s very challenging and dumb. And so,

[00:43:43] Brett: [00:43:43] Yeah, that would be, that would be rough. I actually really enjoy, uh, when they, when they take blood samples and stuff, I like to watch. It’s a weird fascination I have.

[00:43:53] Pete: [00:43:53] I’m not tracking with this right now.

[00:43:55]Brett: [00:43:55] All right. Well, I’m going to take a quick moment here to talk [00:44:00] about, uh, today’s sponsor, which is better help, uh, online, uh, remote therapy that I’m actually really excited about. Um, so for me, living with 80 ADHD, bipolar kind of is one of the hurdles I have to overcome, uh, on my journey to happiness. Um, and I think everyone has something that’s preventing them from achieving their goals.

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[00:44:42] You can do just text messages or you can do weekly video calls. Uh, yeah. So, uh, whatever you’re comfortable with, but all from the comfort of your own home. Uh, once you filled out your questionnaire, you can start communicating with your counselor and under 24 hours. And [00:45:00] this isn’t self-help it’s professional counseling.

[00:45:02] I see a psychiatrist who takes care of all my prescription needs, but I honestly, I don’t have great access to any kind of therapy where I live. Uh, I’ve never found. A counselor that I really meshed with, uh, which is why I got excited about better help. Um, I filled out the questionnaire. I got matched with a therapist who specialized in my needs within about three hours.

[00:45:26] And I had my first session last week. And I have to say I had a really great day afterward. Uh, it was easy professional, and I think it’s going to be really helpful for me. Um, it’s more affordable than traditional counseling to financial aid is available in many areas. And in addition to things like ADHD and bipolar, there are counselors who specialize in depression, stress, anger, LGBT matters, grief, sleep trauma.

[00:45:51] Just about any specific need you have. Uh, I’ve had my own share of loss lately. So I found opening up to my therapist about my grieving process to [00:46:00] be a major help. Uh, and of course, anything you do share is completely confidential. So for my listeners, I want you all to start living a happier life today.

[00:46:11] Uh, if you use my special link, you’ll get 10% off your first month. Uh, visit better help.com/systematic. Join over 1 million people who have taken charge of their mental health. Again, that’s better help. H E L p.com/systematic. So a big thanks to better help for supporting the show today. And that brings us to our top three picks.

[00:46:35] Okay.

[00:46:36] Pete: [00:46:36] Uh, the top three picks. This was, uh, excruciating.

[00:46:41] Brett: [00:46:41] Really narrowing it down or finding

[00:46:43] Pete: [00:46:43] Yeah. Oh,

[00:46:44] Brett: [00:46:44] so weird. Like there’s this dichotomy of people. And I like the opposite. I think it was last week. Well, we took a month off, but last episode, um, no, two episodes ago. Yeah. [00:47:00] I have the people I talk to and it is about half and half. Can’t find three things or they can’t narrow it down to three things and it’s a complete opposite approach to this.

[00:47:10]Pete: [00:47:10] That’s funny. Well, it’s like, like I went back through your show notes in the podcast just to scroll down. I love that you include links to these things in the show notes, because it’s so easy to just scan and I don’t have anything that anybody has picked yet. I don’t think, uh, so I’m, uh, I’m excited about it.

[00:47:26] I hope I hope some things are interesting to

[00:47:28] Brett: [00:47:28] All right. Well, what’s your first one.

[00:47:30]Pete: [00:47:30] The first one is related. Actually two of them are actually related to my healing process and this one is a bit more luxurious. It is a sauna. Uh, it is the radiant sauna, harmony deluxe oversized, portable sauna, cabin size. It’s ridiculous. You look ridiculous in it, but it’s one of the it’s like cloth it’s like that heat insulated claw fabric.

[00:47:53] And you zip yourself up in it in a chair and it is an infrared sauna. So your head [00:48:00] sticks out the top. And your hands. It has a little hand. If you want to like, you know, hold your phone or an iPad or do something, and then you just crank the heat. I crank it to 150 degrees and I sit in it for an hour a day.

[00:48:11] And I’m not kidding you, man. It drops my blood pressure, 20 points doing immediate before and after, um, readings. Um, you get a good sweat on it. Improves my circulation. It just. It’s incredibly relaxing. It just feels great. So an in-room like we keep it in the corner of our bedroom and it’s, it’s an interim sauna and it’s, it’s crazy.

[00:48:37] I never, in a million years would have expected that I would be a guy recommending a personal sauna on systematic, but here we are, this is the cross, which we will

[00:48:47] Brett: [00:48:47] I, uh, I go to a, uh, health center that has a sauna available and it’s, I think it’s IRR, it’s a dry sauna and, [00:49:00] uh, I can’t go over about 120 in it. Uh, it’s like, it’s a room you go in and sit down and I get really bored and really sweaty, and I’ve never found it. Um, like, I definitely found it helpful for health reasons, but I’ve never found that to balance out the discomfort I feel.

[00:49:24] So do you find this enjoyable?

[00:49:27] Pete: [00:49:27] I do I do. It took a little bit and I had to work up to it. Um, especially because there’s this stage when you’re doing it, that you get the prickly heat where everything just sort of starts to itch, but you get past that. And then you’re just like, Dripping sweat. And it is an incredible detox, right?

[00:49:43] You’re just like I was talking to my doctor and she said there are only three ways that we get things like we detox our body. Right. It’s like urine feces and sweat, and most people if especially, well, I, you know, speaking just for myself, like as, as a nerd, I. [00:50:00] Don’t work out a lot. Like I not to associate like nerds and working out, but I’m just one of those people that I would much rather be, you know, working on a podcast or a website or something like that.

[00:50:11] And so it’s, it’s hard for me to engage and really fall in love with. With, like getting a sweat on. And so I do the bare minimum of physical activity that I can to stay healthy and then I go sweat and it’s amazing. So I don’t know, maybe it’s a dumb shortcut, but it sure is helping the, uh, the blood pressure right

[00:50:29] Brett: [00:50:29] how much would one of these set a person back? Yeah.

[00:50:32]Pete: [00:50:32] Oh, geez. What is it? I mean, it’s a couple of hundred bucks,

[00:50:35] Brett: [00:50:35] Oh, a couple hundred. That’s I would’ve, I would’ve guessed higher,

[00:50:39]Pete: [00:50:39] no, no, no. Um, well it’s currently unavailable. To the, uh, other, other ways to buy on prime two 86, 61.

[00:50:48]Brett: [00:50:48] right?

[00:50:49] Pete: [00:50:49] So 300 bucks, a little less than 300 bucks. Um, I love it. And it’s, I’ll, I’ll send you the link obviously to this stuff, so, yeah. That’s number one.

[00:50:59] Um, [00:51:00] are you, do you now, are you doing top three picks anymore? Have you totally abdicated your responsibility to share your

[00:51:05] Brett: [00:51:05] responsibility, uh, to keep myself from burning out. I

[00:51:10] Pete: [00:51:10] You got to, yeah, that’s a lot of

[00:51:11] Brett: [00:51:11] like I’ll throw one in here and there. Uh, especially if I have, if I have something I’m in love with that is related to a guest pick, but yeah, I’m no longer trying to do this every week.

[00:51:23]Pete: [00:51:23] My next, one’s also related. I talked about a little bit. It’s the, it’s the blood pressure cuff, but I got the why things, uh, BPM connect, blood pressure cuff. If you have any reason to have one of these things around this one is really cool and it connects to all your smart devices. So you just, you know, you put it on it’s recharges by USB and it push a button and it takes your reading.

[00:51:44] It has a little, a little led on it. Uh, and it gives you the reading and then wirelessly connects to its, to its network and, and gives you a report that you can then send to your doctor. And I, uh, I’m a huge fan of, uh, of it because it’s, it’s taken a lot [00:52:00] of the, like the manual reading is, is an anxiety inducing thing for me.

[00:52:05] And, uh, and so it’s just fast and easy and quick, and it’s, it’s reduced the barrier to, to actually, you know, monitoring my health, especially as I get older. Right. Like, yeah.

[00:52:16] Brett: [00:52:16] Is that around the wrist or the arm?

[00:52:19] Pete: [00:52:19] No, it’s an arm cuff.

[00:52:20] Brett: [00:52:20] Yeah, my doctor made me get rid of my wrist one and switched to using an arm cuff.

[00:52:24]Pete: [00:52:24] quiet. Why? The wrist ones aren’t reliable.

[00:52:27] Brett: [00:52:27] he said. Or at least not. In my case, I was getting, I was getting nonstandard readings that didn’t agree with his, his, uh, in office readings to the extent that he wanted me to get an arm cuff and it turned out I was getting more accurate readings with the arm cuff.

[00:52:47] Pete: [00:52:47] Interesting. I that’s fascinating. I, you know, I think about that with the Apple watch too. I’m an Apple watch guy, so I like, I I’ve been wondering why they have not added. Some blood pressure sensor to the Apple watch. And that, [00:53:00] that makes more sense. Like they just, they, I, you know, I don’t know how anything works inside this and inside the body.

[00:53:06] And so clearly I’m not equipped to comment, but that, that would make sense to

[00:53:12] Brett: [00:53:12] would have to have like an inflatable band on the.

[00:53:14] Pete: [00:53:14] inflatable band. Right, right. That

[00:53:17] Brett: [00:53:17] there could be a definite use for that. I could see, like, especially for certain people with heart conditions, having a constant blood pressure monitored could be, it could be anxiety inducing the a hundred percent, but could also be very useful.

[00:53:31] Pete: [00:53:31] Well, when my dad had his heart attack and he had, he had a quadruple bypass. And so after we were done with that process, we’re sitting in the hospital room and I’d gotten him an Apple watch. This was the series five with all the heart when they introduced a lot of the heart stuff and I would run it on his wrist in parallel to what they were doing with the hospital monitoring equipment.

[00:53:52] And it was perfect. It was lockstep. So like, I feel, I feel pretty good about their ability to do that. If they’re not doing it yet, [00:54:00] there’s gotta be a reason. Uh, so anyway, that’s, uh, that was my number two. Is that a blood pressure cuff? And the third one, I got a recommend a podcast because, you know, podcaster.

[00:54:10] And so I listened to a ton of podcasts. I mean, Way too many podcasts. And, uh, there, I listened to them all in order to get through them. I’ve got to listen to them at slightly faster speed, right? So, you know, speed and a half double speed, whatever, uh, just to, to stay through them all. There is one podcast that I listened to at one X speed and, uh, it, it’s not new to me, but as a music fan and as a Prince fan.

[00:54:40] If you are not listening or have not listened to Prince the official podcast yet you need to do it. It is so, so good. Uh, and it is in partnership with the princess state and 89 three is at 89 three, [00:55:00] the current. Um, it’s in partnership with those two institutions and this fantastic music journalist, uh, does this episode, it was, it was in partnership when they released the extended expanded sets of, um, sign of the times, 1999 and purple rain.

[00:55:16] And she interviews. Every one that has been in and around Prince’s life and, uh, they use, or they have access to every single piece of music and the princess state and the Prince library. And they, they just created a, uh, uh, like, uh, uh, I mean, it’s a, it’s a work of art, this podcast. It’s just fantastic. So if you’re a Prince fan and you haven’t experienced this particular podcast, highly recommended.

[00:55:48] Brett: [00:55:48] I’m a Prince appreciator. Like I have a lot of respect for his music and, and what he accomplished. And I’m a, I’m a Minnesota guy. [00:56:00] So per Savin, new Paisley park, I’ve been kicked out of Paisley park.

[00:56:04]Pete: [00:56:04] What do you, what do you have to do to get kicked out of Paisley

[00:56:06] Brett: [00:56:06] have to be either with a jerk of a lead singer who pees in the bushes and gets in fights. And I did not personally do anything to disparage Paisley park, but we all got kicked out.

[00:56:21]Pete: [00:56:21] That’s

[00:56:22] Brett: [00:56:22] But like I said, and like, I, I, I have, uh, I have a definite appreciation while I can’t say that if I’m going to sit down and listen to music that I would choose to listen to Prince, when it’s on, I can be like, this is really good.

[00:56:34] He’s a really talented guy. I, uh,

[00:56:37] Pete: [00:56:37] Well, they’ve done an incredible job with these big super deluxe additions. And they’ve they brought some stuff out from the vault that sort of puzzling why they never got released, like at the time, because, and when I think it’s because, you know, they’re, they’re shaping his, his persona right. And who he is, but the variety of styles and tones that.

[00:56:57] That he was capable of. Um, [00:57:00] it’s, it’s pretty stunning and you know, it’s on Spotify and Apple music and all the right places. So you, you don’t have to buy the 13 LP and DVD version of the super deluxe edition. It’s like nine hours of, of music, curated music, but it’s definitely worth, uh, you know, checking out.

[00:57:18] And, uh, you know, if you, if you are a fan I’m, I, um, I’ve been a fan since I was a kid. And I just, uh, you know, I’ve seen Prince live five times and I just, uh, it’s it’s, it’s ridiculous.

[00:57:31] Brett: [00:57:31] All

[00:57:32] Pete: [00:57:32] Don’t cry. Don’t crush. Don’t crush my fandom Terp

[00:57:34] Brett: [00:57:34] Hey, no, I, like I said, I am no judgment at all. I saw him, I saw him live at a, a block party in Minneapolis once, but I’ve never been to a like actual show, but like I said, no, I have a strong appreciation. I know, uh, no judgment, just, I was too busy with punk rock to get into Prince. I think.

[00:57:59] Pete: [00:57:59] Yeah, no, I get [00:58:00] it. Well, if you, in as a parallel pick, if you’re, if you’re an enterprising nerd and you just want to see some crazy overwrought, wildly flamboyant over-designed point or takeover, crazy scrolling web design, visit prince.com because it’s obnoxious. It is obnoxious, uh, what they were able to do.

[00:58:19] And for some reason, this is, this is a site I’m okay with it on because it’s prints and it, it kind of feels, it makes sense.

[00:58:27]Brett: [00:58:27] All right. Well, I feel like I jumped topics enough that I didn’t get to really, uh, take advantage of your general, uh, vastness of skills and knowledge. Um, I feel like, I feel like it was a very add conversation, which to be expected to some extent, but may have to have you on again to further plumb your depths.

[00:58:55] Pete: [00:58:55] No, I would love it. Brett. I’m a huge fan and, uh, of, of your work and I’m, [00:59:00] you know, as a user of your tools, uh, it’s, it’s a real thrill to hang out with you as always. So, um, whenever you, whenever you have an opening and a, you want to lower expectations, I’ll be here.

[00:59:11] Brett: [00:59:11] right. Do you have a, uh, uh, a central place? People can find you and all of your work.

[00:59:17]Pete: [00:59:17] Um, and it’s a true story. Dot FM is where all the podcasts are and I’m at Pete right on Twitter. I’m not there all that much, but you know, I do respond if anybody yeah. Wants to chat.

[00:59:31] Brett: [00:59:31] all right. And check the show notes for as many links as I can pull together from today’s, uh, uh, broad ranging conversation and, uh, and thanks a lot, Pete.

[00:59:43]Pete: [00:59:43] Hey, thank you, Brett. I think we, I think we did good. I think we really changed some lives

[00:59:46] Brett: [00:59:46] Nailed it.

[00:59:48]Pete: [00:59:48] All right. What do you, what do you think? How do we do? Yeah.

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