Brett is joined by Rob Stenzinger—an Interactive Storyteller, and UX and Game Designer—to talk about autodidactic exploration, self-advocacy and marketing, and going from corporate jobs to indie (and then back).
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Brett is joined by Rob Stenzinger—an Interactive Storyteller, and UX and Game Designer—to talk about autodidactic exploration, self-advocacy and marketing, and going from corporate jobs to indie (and then back).