Brett takes web designer and voice actor Erik Sagen on a winding journey through tech talk, life lessons and discussions about siblings. Brett cries. No joke.
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Brett takes web designer and voice actor Erik Sagen on a winding journey through tech talk, life lessons and discussions about siblings. Brett cries. No joke.